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Post by amazingates on Nov 13, 2019 13:21:44 GMT -8
The Eureka Card - The Bunny & The Snowman
I believe there is a meaning with the Bunny and the Snowman. A lot of people see the resemblence of the Snowman with Groucho Marx, I actually think the Snowman looks like Dennis Rader LOL but I can go with the snowman looking like Groucho... but I'm not so sure about all that. Let's see how this all fits together. But what about the Bunny? who is he? And what is he doing? This card was chosen for some reason and most likely because what is on the card, along with the wording of the card, makes sense to someone. I can see it. It makes sense to me. Whether or not Zodiac(or one of them if you think a group) looked at this card and thought WOW what a perfect card, and it truly is. It has so many things going on in it. I think there are several reasons why this card was chosen, with the Bunny and the Snowman being two of them. (and I think the wording was perfect for a Z person also) And who is the Creator of this card; who is the actual artist of it? That would be very interesting to know. Why did they choose this snowman and this bunny? Did they just randomly sketch out a snowman and a bunny, or were they thinking about something in particular. Some artists will just "talk" to us with their work, just like musicians do. Movie makers it do it also; you can see it under the surface if you really pay attention. Disney is definitely good at it, in fact most of the old cartoons had things going on in them other that what was on the surface. Is the artist of the card saying something here? or is this just a no-meaning random drawing. If it is a no-meaning random drawing, then it really makes no sense. The rabbit is just standing there looking at a huge snowman with a disguise on... so the disguise makes sense with the GUESS 'who I am' concept. but why a rabbit? That rabbit has bothered me since I first saw the card. Who is that bunny? So when you look at this card from the point of view of Zodiac, why pick this card? The disguise on the snowman and the Guessing and the secret pal of course, we all get that, but being the Zodiac is so much more cryptic that any old secret pal card, we have to really wonder, who in this card is that Snowman and the Bunny Rabbit. There is more to this than just sending in the card... and even if someone else sent this in(which I personally believe someone connected to Zodiac sent this card in*more on that later*), why this card and what were they identifying with on this card. Zodiac is a complicated person/group. Every detail has a reason; a well-thought-out reason... so who is this snowman and bunny rabbit and what does it mean?
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Post by amazingates on Nov 13, 2019 19:40:28 GMT -8
Well Ding Ding... where was my brain, of course I just now clicked on something about Groucho Marx. Where was my thinking. Sometimes I don't see things right off when there is so much going on. I'm not sure that is Groucho Marx, but it MIGHT very well fit the thinking of the sender of that card. When we add this info (maybe there is something going on here) maybe the snowman is Groucho Marx. So what does this mean? In 1960, Groucho Marx, a lifelong devotee of the comic operas of Gilbert and Sullivan, appeared as Ko-Ko, the Lord High Executioner, in a televised production of The Mikado on NBC's Bell Telephone Hour. I believe there is a lot more to this than meets the eye. I'm not certain zodiac was really a fan of this opera. I think he was totally talking about something else.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 13, 2019 19:51:17 GMT -8
So then who is the Bunny Rabbit representing?
Well if the snowman is "Groucho Marx" then I Guess the bunny rabbit might be Oswald the Lucky Rabbit
Oswald the Lucky Rabbit (also known as Oswald the Rabbit or Oswald Rabbit) is an anthropomorphic cartoon rabbit created by Walt Disney and Ub Iwerks for Universal Pictures. He starred in several animated short films released to theaters from 1927 to 1938. A total of 27 animated Oswald one-reelers were produced at the Walt Disney Studio. When the Disney studio was removed from the Oswald series and several of its animators departed to Winkler, Walt Disney and Ub Iwerks created Mickey Mouse. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswald_the_Lucky_Rabbit
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Post by amazingates on Nov 13, 2019 20:05:23 GMT -8
So we have to wonder, since the Zodiac uses a very complicated coding with words, why not with images as well? Of course I have always thought zodiac did just that, and so I have always paid very close attention to both the words and the images. The Halloween Card is a huge example of image coding. So is the pen card and the draggon card. They all are. So why would Zodiac send in a card if it had no image meaning in it? Zodiac would not do that. So there is something in this card with the images that mean something to Zodiac, or it is not a Zodiac Card.
Many people believe this is not a Zodiac Card. I believe 100000% it is. And I can easily believe that because I believe Zodiac is a Group, therefore, any number of the Zodiac people/letter writers(different handwriting) could have sent this in. The KEYS sent with it are a huge clue(get to that later), the Secret Pal and Guess is always a clue(but anyone would think of that, but there is something huge going on there too more on that later), and Eureka itself is a clue(more on that later). Someone took some time and got lucky finding this card with these images on it and everything working together. It's one thing to design your own card and to have everything in there, but to find one already designed with all of this stuff in there is to good to be true. Of course when they found it they had to have hit the jackpot, which is even more funny as that is the same as hitting the Motherlode and yelling Eureka. And we all know where the "jackpots" were in those days, in Nevada of course. And even that coincides with this card (more on that later) Now isn't that even MORE fitting. haha...
also we have the scarf around the neck of the snowman, again another clue. This card is so full of clues, along with the key and the advertisement on what people call the pin light, or magnet(I've seen it referred to as several different things), we just have to admit there is way too much going on here for this not to match a Zodiac communication.
By the time I get done with all of these things, it will be very easy to see and make perfect since.... I hope haha
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Post by amazingates on Nov 13, 2019 20:18:34 GMT -8
Now I know this all seems mind-boggling and crazy sounding, but we coders are brain-wired to notice all this stuff, it is just how our brains work, and we do get very excited when we run into something that has so many clues already built in to it. Someone of the Zodiac found this card and could not help but send it in.
so back to the Snowman & the Bunny Rabbit. ....
this is going to be multi-layered, there is so much stuff going on in this card... going to take some time to get through all of this. And then get all the confirmation information that will show you WHY and HOW this means what it means, and how it leads right back to Zodiac.
But first lets just know that
Snowman - probably MARX ( and never forget the craziness of Dennis Rader who can read all this Z code, he might have sent it also; he does stuff like this... and maybe for more reasons than we know. more on that later)
Bunny Rabbit - Oswald The Lucky Rabbit (which turned out he was not all that lucky hmmm)
so what does Marx and Oswald have to do with anything (more on this later; a LOT MOORE, along with the BATES letter)
Well for one Oswald was a Marxist. or he said he was, but he was also a Minuteman so hmmm. Kind of strange Don't let me lose you, by the time I'm totally done, you'll get it
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Post by amazingates on Nov 13, 2019 20:29:52 GMT -8
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Post by amazingates on Nov 13, 2019 20:46:38 GMT -8
Funny that I kept thinking the Bunny represented Harvey the Rabbit haha Now that is funny because that is Lee Harvey Oswald's middle name. LOL Please Don't Debate the Assassination on this thread there are other threads for JFK Assassinationtheslaughterhouse.freeforums.net/board/29/john-kennedy-assassination __________ Oswald as the Bunny on the Eureka Card
Now this is from Wiki, who knows if this is what REALLY happened, but that is not the debate in this thread. In this thread, I'm just trying to show who the BUNNY on the EUREKA card is. If the Bunny on the Eureka Card represents Oswald the Rabbit, then lets see why Oswald would be eluded to on the Eureka CardLee Harvey Oswald (October 18, 1939 – November 24, 1963) was an American Marxist and former U.S. Marine who assassinated United States President John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963. Oswald was honorably released from active duty in the Marine Corps into the reserve and defected to the Soviet Union in October 1959. He lived in Minsk until June 1962, when he returned to the United States with his Russian wife, Marina, and eventually settled in Dallas. Five government investigations concluded that Oswald shot and killed Kennedy from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository as the President traveled by motorcade through Dealey Plaza in Dallas. Much more info on Lee Harvey Oswald on this thread theslaughterhouse.freeforums.net/thread/361/harvey-oswald-notes-wiki-truth
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Post by amazingates on Nov 13, 2019 23:50:53 GMT -8
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Post by amazingates on Nov 14, 2019 1:55:09 GMT -8
Well crap, I got to thinking, okay maybe Lee Harvey Oswald was nick named the Rabbit... so I googled it, and guess what. He was not ONLY named Rabbit, but he was nicked named rabbit after Oswald Rabbit. so there it is.... so now I am sure that bunny on the eureka card is Oswald. I knew that dang rabbit had to be something. I need to go through all the JFK case and learn what all that is about. I have never looked at it, or I would have figured this out a LONG time ago.
From Wiki Slightly built, Oswald was nicknamed Ozzie Rabbit after the cartoon character; he was also called Oswaldskovich because he espoused pro-Soviet sentiments. In November 1958, Oswald transferred back to El Toro where his unit's function "was to serveil [sic] for aircraft, but basically to train both enlisted men and officers for later assignment overseas". An officer there said that Oswald was a "very competent" crew chief and was "brighter than most people."
so now, who the heck is the snowman. who is groucho marx? one of oswald's friends? so it is looking like oswald was part of the zodiac and so is the SNOWMAN. who is the snowman?
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Post by amazingates on Nov 14, 2019 10:41:16 GMT -8
ok I thought about this in my sleep all night. who is the dang snowman. so I go back to Ophion's old post where someone had found the "other" snowman card sent by the Imperial wizard Sam Bowers. So my thought is this... is this really the same "snowman person" in the snowman on this card as is on the Eureka Card? Did someone choose the Eureka Card because it did have the Snowman on it who they thought portrayed the same snowman as on this sam bowers card? Maybe the did. if so, we need to look at this, if not, we need to at least look at it anyway. In this scenario, we are looking at the KKK and have to figure out who the hell is the Snowman in the KKK? or who would a KKK Imperial Wizard be writing to and drawing a Snowman on the letter? and what is that blue "stamp-like" thing to the left by the head of the snowman. And who the heck is this letter written to? and what is the date on this? Wednesday ? december? yr? and what is it saying? Wishing you and yours? ...?... Merry Christmas . and what is the return address on the envelope? I can't see all the red tiny stamping(words) on the envelope to the left of the postmark, but it reminds me of the stamping that is on letters coming out of prisons. or jails. was this mailed out of a jail or prison? Is there any way to get a clearer photo of this? UPDATE: after decoding the "A Citizens" Communication. We can now see, yes, this is about Sam Bowers/ the Snowman, who is also the PRIEST in the "A Citizens" communication theslaughterhouse.freeforums.net/thread/377/tearing-apart-chronicle-citizen-letter?page=1&scrollTo=1456
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Post by amazingates on Nov 14, 2019 11:15:45 GMT -8
ok let me think this out here.... just thinking...
Snowman = snow man = white man = white as snow = snow white = ?
a hangman's noose has 13 winds... (just thinking outloud here)
in 2010 - a guy in Idaho built a huge KKK snowman in his yard with a noose in the snowman's hand. let me see if I can find an article on that.... If I remember right he was tied to the kkk or aaryan nation up in idaho.
Is there something about the KKK and the snowman? I'm thinking there is. or is it an Aaryan thing? or both? or is it just a word to identify the WHITE (snow white) Race?
let me go looking'
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Post by amazingates on Nov 14, 2019 11:16:41 GMT -8
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Post by amazingates on Nov 14, 2019 11:46:29 GMT -8
So here is our Snowman.... THE ULTIMA THULE - REPRESENTING THE AAYRAN RACE.
The Ultima ThuleIn the scientific community, Ultima Thule is officially called (486958) 2014 MU69, a designation generated from standard naming practices for distant space objects. A small, icy object 4 billion miles from Earth, it is shaped like a snowman
They let the public name the snowman. Ultima Thule placed seventh, but they liked the name so they chose that one for the Snowman shaped ice object. why does it share a name with a term used by Nazis?During the rise of Hitler, members of the Nazi Party in Germany imagined Ultima Thule as a land of Aryan purityGo beyond Earth and deeper into the solar system, past the craggy terrain of Mars and the shape-shifting storm of Jupiter, through the delicate rings of Saturn, beyond the silky clouds of Uranus and Neptune, and you will find a mysterious zone of small, icy objects. They number in the millions, some half the size of the continental United States, others as small as cities. They form a ring around the solar system, silent sentries guarding the blazing sun, which is so distant that it looks like any other star would. www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/05/ultima-thule-nasa-nazi/589693/A primary focus of the Thule Society was a claim concerning the origins of the Aryan race. In 1917, people who wanted to join the "Germanic Order", out of which the Thule Society developed in 1918, had to s ign a special "blood declaration of faith" concerning their lineage:The signer hereby swears to the best of his knowledge and belief that no Jewish or coloured blood flows in either his or in his wife's veins, and that among their ancestors are no members of the coloured races.[11] "Thule" (Greek: Θούλη) was a land located by Greco-Roman geographers in the farthest north (often displayed as Iceland).[12] The Latin term "Ultima Thule" is also mentioned by Roman poet Virgil in his pastoral poems called the Georgics.[13] Thule originally was probably the name for Scandinavia, although Virgil simply uses it as a proverbial expression for the edge of the known world, and his mention should not be taken as a substantial reference to Scandinavia.[14] The Thule Society identified Ultima Thule as a lost ancient landmass in the extreme north, near Greenland or Iceland,[15] said by Nazi mystics to be the capital of ancient Hyperborea.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Society
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Post by amazingates on Nov 14, 2019 11:57:28 GMT -8
So now we have to go back to the Imperial Wizard on the Deep Real Estate Ad, and relook at that. Too much is coming up with "some" WHITE group or "someone" connected to one of the WHITE groups. It does not mean this was the WHOLE group, it might just be an individual connected to the group. But the snowman is definitely(in my opinion connected to something or someone to do with some "white" group . OR.... connected to someone who HATES the white group.
Then we need to go back and revist THE RIDDLER message... because Owswald "might be" THE RIDDLER. OR oswald was not the real Riddler, the "other" person said to be on the grassy knoll "might be" The Riddler
This all ties in together somehow. Let me get the Deep Real Estate Ad and The Riddler message on Threads where we can fit this together. And now the 14, the 8's, the skeleton all make sense as well.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 14, 2019 12:47:41 GMT -8
Now we have to think here....
Is the Snowman(on this card) representing a "group" or an "individual"?
Is the bunny (oswald rabbit) aligned with the snowman, taking orders from the snowman, going something against the snowman, a friend of the snowman, under the snowman's protection, what? or is there some kind of retaliation for the death of Oswald Rabbit?
Lee Harvey Oswald is killed Noverber 24, 1963. so he is dead. so if he is the bunny in this card, is the snowman retaliating against whoever is responsible for the death of Oswald Rabbit? Or are they saying they killed Oswald Rabbit? what is the connection and relationship between the Snowman (white group or individual of a white group) and the bunny(Oswald Rabbit =Lee Harvey Oswald)?
and we still have the KEYS in the mix, which I'll get to that later. I pretty much figured those out back in 2008, which led me to the Nations to begin with (long story, I'll tell it later) . I'll make a thread for the KEYS later. It will all tie in.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 15, 2019 10:58:05 GMT -8
I'm still looking and that blue and yellow square stamp-looking thing to the left of the snowman's head. What is that? Is that a postage stamp? is it from a rubber-stamp? Is it something drawn on there? what is that?
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Post by amazingates on Nov 15, 2019 11:14:44 GMT -8
Because I think Zodiac is a group, then this is something else I've been thinking forever, and it does not change a thing. I think in some way BTK/Dennis Rader is tied to the Zodiac Case. He might have just "inserted himself" into the case because he figured out something and wanted "to play the game", or he really has a connection. I'm not really sure, but he "surfaces" in the Zodiac codes, and Zodiac is in his multi-level code(that no one bothered to notice or solve), so I know "somehow" he is connected. There are other threads for that info, but I mention it here for four reasons.
One - He looks like groucho Marx on that snowman card(probably a coincidence)
Two - He gave the co-worker he was going to kill a snowman with a scarf tied around it's neck(She believes it was a threat to strangle her; I'm not so sure that was the whole reason) .
Three - I'll get to this one later, it is a whole other subject that is very complicated, but very simply, I know another card just like the Eureka card was out there. I found out about it in 2008 when the Zodiac one surfaced, and it is tied to BTK/Dennis Rader. So I really don't know why or how Dennis Rader is tied to Zodiac, but he is, and it is "possible" it is BTK/Dennis Rader who is the snowman on the Eureka Card of the Zodiac Case. I just don't know yet.
Four - Dennis Rader is coding things to do with a very well known "white group". Why is that? And does that have anything at all to do with this Eureka Card Snowman? (Is this what he really means? Does he have any connection? I don't know yet. He's such a "witchy" "jester"; it is so hard to tell what "family" he REALLY belongs to, or if he is just "playing the game")
With this thought in mind you have to wonder why Dennis Rader draws the things he does. Well I can guarantee you that Dennis knows a picture is worth a thousand words, and he codes through his drawings. He is very good at it, and he also knows the Zodiac Code. So there is some kind of connection with him to the Zodiac. More on all of this over on the BTK/Zodiac threads, and i'll explain this in detail later.
But for now, the Snowman on the Eureka Card "Might Be" Dennis Rader... but it might not be either... I'm trying to figure that out.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 15, 2019 11:32:09 GMT -8
I need to start a thread for the KEYS on the Eureka Card so we can tie this all in, but I don't want to tie it in on this thread or this thread will lose it's train of through and get all cluttered up. So let me get a thread for The Eureka Card Keys - The Clue theslaughterhouse.freeforums.net/thread/368/eureka-card-keys-clue
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Post by amazingates on Nov 15, 2019 14:43:18 GMT -8
I'm still thinking about Cointelpro. The Fbi was using so many groups then to get rid of all the radical factions, and they were using people in the same factions to get rid of their own group members. I'm wondering if this "white group" who the Snowman of the Eureka Card seems to represent, might be a group that the FBI targeted by Cointelpro, or was it someone in the "snowman group" they used, who then got mad or "smart" and started "EXTORTING the FBI(therefore the Zodiac Case being labeled an Extortion case.... who very well might be The Riddler of the Riddler message (I'll get a link for that also)
If this might be true, then what "Snowman "white group of white group members" might have been either part of Cointelpro, or targeted by Cointelpro? They have some renegade "someone/ someones" out there who THE FEDS CALL, The Zodiac Killer(more like Operation Zodiac)... The Zodiac Killer is the Zodiac Killer alright, but it's not the The Zodiac as we think it is. The Zodiac Killer might very well actually be the "killer" of The Zodiac" This is what I'm thinking. I'll start a thread for this thought.
So who are the Snowman (white groups) affiliated with Cointelpro, or who were targeted by Cointelpro?
I'm thinking because the Zodiac Case is labeled as an EXTORTION Case(more on this on another thread), that the person/persons of Zodiac, might have been working for the FBI at some point and got "spooky" on them. Boy, in the cool of the evening when everything is getting kind of groovy, here comes "Spooky". So Spooky got totally pissed off for some reason?
So what Snowman "white group" was being targeted or used by Cointelpro, and when did this actually start, and when did their "Spooky Boo" get pissed off and go renegade? Did it all really begin with Cheri Jo Bates? (with the Bates letters that look like the letters might have been written by the same person who wrote the RUBY Letter?) or did it all begin before that? But the Feds decided to create the Zodiac Killer and say he's a whacko out of the bay area? Feds have no idea what this is about, yet they are coding back and forth with "someone" in the newspapers? haha.
I'll get up some links with info on all of this stuff to tie it all together.
Right now I just want to find out "which Snowman White group" is this card about?
The Snowman Card, along with the halloween card and so much of the Z Correspondence wants us to GUESS just who they are? or are they wanting us to Guess who is responsible for all of this? Who is telling on whom here? GUESS is a HUGE clue in this whole case. More on that later.
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Post by ophion1031 on Nov 17, 2019 1:10:07 GMT -8
Very cool stuff! I'll see if I can find a better photo of the Bowers card. I never would have guessed that Lee Harvey Oswald would show up in the Zodiac case. The only question is why? He had been dead for some time so who could be putting him in the clues and what would be the significance of doing so? I don;t really have any answers to that, but it could be someone from the Minutemen having some fun and maybe there are more clues to solve other cases. I do think someone from the Minutemen wrote the Bates letters and there were at least a couple of Minutemen involved in the JFK assassination and probably Martin Luther King's murder as well. But what does it have to do with the Zodiac case, if anything? I have always believed that "Zodiac" was at least two people but most likely a small group, but the "Why" has always been something I could never really make up my mind about. There are a lot of possibilities. I do think "Zodiac" was a character whose purpose was to keep law enforcement busy while other crimes were being committed by these people. I could definitely see Rader being in this group, especially with that interesting 9x9 grid with his name appearing. Maybe you are correct and we just have to connect some dots to figure it all out? I do think that all of the Zodiac letters, ciphers, postcards, greeting cards etc have several layers and that there are a lot of clues that tie in with each other somehow. Don't forget the 13 punch holes in one of the cards. Plus the B that looks like a 13 in the Bates letters. Is there a connection? I guess since this thread is for the Eureka card I should stay on topic and that 13th victim card can be discussed in its own thread. When Troy Houghton of the Minutemen went missing, his car was found with 13 bullet holes in it.
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Post by ophion1031 on Nov 17, 2019 1:17:03 GMT -8
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Post by ophion1031 on Nov 17, 2019 2:00:22 GMT -8
I am looking into how Sam Bowers could possibly tie into this, other than the Christmas Card and the fact that he was an Imperial Wizard in the KKK, and found something interesting.
"He was convicted eight years ago for the 1966 firebombing of the home of the shopkeeper, Vernon F. Dahmer Sr., 58, who had allowed fellow blacks to pay their poll taxes and register to vote in his store."
Where was Dahmer's son, Vernon Jr, when this happened?.....
"Mr. Dahmer was stationed in Riverside, Calif., with the Air Force when he got the phone call about the firebombing. When he arrived at home at 9 a.m. the next day, his father was dead and the house was still smoking."
And, of course, Cheri Jo Bates is murdered in Riverside later that year. Probably a coincidence.
I haven't really found any direct links between Bowers and the Riverside area, or San Francisco for that matter, although he was good friends with Dennis Mower of the Minutemen. Mower lived in Hollywood all throughout the 60's, which is not far from Riverside.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 17, 2019 13:53:43 GMT -8
This gets really complicated, but I am so glad you can at least see "something" going on here. Once you get to hooking up all the cards and communications, you can see it really well. It takes time to get them all out here and decoded so you can start hooking it all together. They story builds as you figure out more of the cards and communicatins, but they are all connected and you need one to figure out the next. And our problem is that the FEDS have a LOT of this stuff, but WE don't. So when something is following along, and a few pieces(or a lot of pieces) are missing, we get lost and don't know what to do.
I tell you though, Dennis Rader understands this stuff, and he is one of the reasons I can figure this stuff out. But we don't have all of his stuff either. It has been sent out all over the place, but who has it and where is it at NOW? and tons of it was confiscated by the feds. All we can hope is we, just keep working on what we do have, AND the things WE KNOW or have been TOLD PERSONALLY by people who have some knowledge of all that happened(even in part or in bits and pieces), and we can piece this together.
Why is Oswald in this? I'm not totally sure but I think the dang Zodiac had something to do with JKF, or they are totally pissed off what happened to OZZIE RABBIT. We surely know that "someone" wrote to Rubenstein and at least "acted mad". What does that note REALLY mean. who knows for sure YET.. but if that note was written by the same person who wrote the Bates Letters, then it makes sense there is a tie to Ruby/Oswald/Zodiac. 1990 rolls around and people are still "thinking something" about all of this. It could very well be that Zodiac just won't let this go. And it might even be the reason they went on a rampage to begin with. Remember the Zodiac case is an EXTORION case. We have a "loose cannon" running around killing people for what appears no reason... but there is a reason. it might very well be a reason connected to Ozzie Rabbit. And who was behind all of that? uh huh... someone maybe being extorted? I'm not sure yet, but I'm wondering.
someone has never forgotten. And someone is surely reminding someone about it. that is my thought. And is that "reminding" a thread of extortion? This takes so much time to get it all out here and to where we can piece it together and see what is going on. I've been piecing this stuff together in this manner for years. It's even harder to explain. Just keep looking at it, you'll see it all starting to emerge out of all this craziness. There is a lot I still don't understand, but the more I go back through all the communications, and the more I read about things I really don't know about the groups and who is who etc, then the more the pieces are falling into place. I think together we can get this put together.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 17, 2019 13:55:26 GMT -8
wow on vernon dahmer etc and that whole situation. That name came across in something I was looking at the other night and had wondered how he might be tied to anything, but I could not figure it out. I need to go look up where I found that again now that you posted about his place getting bombed etc.
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Post by amazingates on Nov 26, 2019 11:45:37 GMT -8
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